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One problem facing people at many levels of business is how to make time for a work life and a personal life. Do you find that one seems to keep getting in the way of the other? This is the work life balance with Rick Morris. Even if you're not involved in the business world, you'll have a lot to gain by tuning into today's show. Now, here is your host, Rick Morris.
Rick A. Morris 0:26
And welcome to another edition of the work life balance this Friday afternoon. We're so excited to have you guys along as we have one of our repeat guests that that we love so dearly if it's the first time you've ever heard this person that just from a biographical standpoint, he's considered one of the top experts in developing team leadership and creating championship cultures. He spent 20 years in organized athletics as a college basketball coach and athletic administrator. He now leads leaders and coaches coaches, and he does that as a team, consultant and trainer is training and experiences a certified john Maxwell leadership Coach and speakers allowed him to work with professional and college teams as well as multi million dollar businesses. He hosts success is a choice podcast and is the author of the leadership playbook, which when he released that he appeared on the show. I believe this is his third appearance on the show. But he appears regularly on numerous radio shows podcast been published in The Huffington Post. And you can learn all about them if you go to his website, but let's introduce them first. How you doing coach Jamie? bechler
Jamy Bechler 1:27
Hey, Rick, I'm really excited to be here today. Yeah, third time Third time's a charm I think I think maybe I'll get it right this time but uh, yeah the third time I'm appearing on your show and really excited to talk with you again.
Rick A. Morris 1:37
Well, you're the closest one to this so you'll be the first to hear about it but we're going to have a five time guests you know jacket like Saturday Night Live you know special show and you know have people pop out of nowhere and surprise you that kind of stuff. So that's that's why when your appearance number five so you got you got two more to go. But we've got the jacket measurements already for you.
Jamy Bechler 1:57
I need to start writing some more books them
Rick A. Morris 2:01
You know, you can come talk to us anytime doesn't have to have a book. I'd love I love chatting with you, you and I found each other. We're just talking about four years ago. I think I came across your website and reached out to you and that kind of started this. I know I was on success as a choice podcast,
Jamy Bechler 2:17
episode nine, episode nine if people would like to check that out how many episodes you have now. We're at 131, I think.
Rick A. Morris 2:26
But you're cranking them out. I've been doing this for years. I think I'm in like Episode 119 120. So of course I do it once a week. So you're How often do you drop the podcast?
Jamy Bechler 2:37
I have a terrible business answer. Sometimes I do two or three a week. Sometimes I do one or two a month. Gotcha. I have not been very consistent with that. The last probably four or five months since I came out with my new book. My new book came out at Thanksgiving. And I really struggled to to stay consistent with that podcast which was which was unfortunate because I really enjoyed Doing it and had some good gas. But all my attention went to the writing that book.
Rick A. Morris 3:05
And so you're starting to learn what what we call a drip podcast is really, really important. Right? drip it at once, you know, every Thursday, drop one, even if you got six episodes done it really not to do anything for six weeks.
Jamy Bechler 3:18
Yeah, you know, it's really important. And they say consistency. And you know, I know I'm a big fan of podcasts myself. And so I will listen to podcasts. And I'll tell you what, when that Monday comes or that Wednesday comes when I'm used to hearing that podcast, I'm disappointed if they're even an hour late sometimes so. So I know that I need to do a better job of that from my end of making sure I get it out more consistently because because I do have I think I have three or four fans plus.
Rick A. Morris 3:44
Well, that's two more than I do. So that's good. But the it's interesting that we're going to get into the book, but you know, you being kind of you're your own CEO of your own company, you know what it takes to run teams and have championship cultures but then it's kind of like all on you, right? I don't know how many people you have working with you now. But when it comes to social media strategy, and then the books and then podcasts and all this kind of stuff, people are using this kind of spray technique trying to get everything done at once, and it's really spread too thin.
Jamy Bechler 4:17
Yeah, it really does. And I've been doing this for three and a half years full time, and I'm still learning new stuff as I go along. You know, every time I think I get something figured out then there's a new wrinkle to it, you know, from working at home, having your home office and and you know, scaling up and you know, hiring more staff or hiring extra people to do different things or, you know, contract workers or, you know, just Hey, I'm going to write a new book or Hey, I want to do an online program or Oh, I want to I want to ramp up some of these podcasts type things and every time you do that, yeah, it's more time and it's a it's one of those things you know, when you watch you know, on TV on MSNBC, you watch the profits or you watch Shark Tank. You know, you watch these business reality shows. It hits a little closer to home, you know, obviously we're not all working in multi million dollar companies, but you know, just some of the stuff they talk about the scaling and, and, you know, trying to have you know, I don't know how many times I've watched the profit and they talked about how you have too many skews you have you have too many things you're trying to do essentially. And I feel like that sometimes, you know, I don't have 23 different colors of T shirts, but it's, I'm trying to do too much sometimes.
Rick A. Morris 5:24
Well, full disclosure, and a lot of times I'm often too transparent with my audience, but I have a serious man crush on Marcus lemonis I love watching the prophet and then February 9, I'll actually be appearing on stage with Robert Hershey back in LA at City galleries sort of summit in in Los Angeles that we're hosting. So but yeah, huge fan of Marcus lemonis a huge fan of him and love how he takes care of people. And we can get into some of this stuff you and I tend to we we hit rabbit trails often I think both of us think that way, but Well, we really wanted to talk about what was exciting was was you did drop a new book called The bus trip. tell the audience a little bit about that.
Jamy Bechler 6:08
Yeah, really excited about the bus trip. It's a it's a, it's a sports leadership fable, modern day fable if if any of your audience has read Patrick lencioni books or Todd gone were or john Gordon, you know, those kind of people, Bob Burg, those are the kind of books that I enjoy reading. And so I finally decided, you know what, for my third book, I'm going to write this fable and it's, you can read it in about a little over two hours, but it's about this team that's, that's going through a challenging season, and they take this bus trip, and there's a number of situations and conversations that occur on that bus trip, both going and coming back, that the players end up coming to this decision that hey, I need to do a better job of helping this team. I'm not doing what I can do. And you know, a bunch of different people come to that conclusion kind of all at the same time. They end up having a team meeting and things kind of get turned around a little bit, you know, as opposed to, there's no one big come to Jesus meeting, there's not like a, you know, we have this team meeting and everyone's motivated, it's all these little pockets of leadership and influence going on. Because I believe that that's truly what really goes on. I believe that these big team meetings and these big rallies, though, can be good, they're very overrated, that really change and influence occurs one on one or, or two on two type things with with close friends and people you respect. And so I wanted to write a book that was a tool for coaches to use and with their teams and you know, hey, maybe they can give their their their players or their athletes this book or they can just give them some nuggets from the book of how they can deal with certain things that happen, you know, whether it's parenting, whether it's, you know, having a parent that's a helicopter parent, or maybe you know, the players are always late or the players feel entitled or the players feel that coach playing them enough, you know, these are some conversations that you as a roommate could have with your with one of your best friends about how to be a better leader. And so I wanted to put all that together and you know, people have asked me if this is based on a true story and it's not based on one true story. It's based on 20 years of true stories.
Rick A. Morris 8:17
Sure. In rarely is there that training montage it's so famous in movies, you know, everything's going bad you have to one meeting there's a montage and then next thing you know they're winning championships. So you're right it's it's little steps along the way that seem to make the biggest difference and we say that all the time, right, small things lead to great change. What's one of your kind of favorite anecdotes, though, that maybe you're in the book or or kind of story that you like to relate to?
Jamy Bechler 8:47
Yeah, well, I have. I have this story and it's it's fresh on my mind because I just talked with a sports team about this just a couple nights ago. In doing like their pregame speech. Their season has been been rough. They were supposed to be good and they've had like five or six injuries. They have all freshmen and sophomores on their team and they're just taken, you know, loss after loss and that was not to be expected. And so I was talking with them in the story I used was the story of a guy long time ago named Are you Darby and are you Darby. He was this guy that went from the east coast to the west coast and the Gold Rush, you know, he wanted to go to the west coast, California, you know, and just hit the mother lode to become rich and so he went out there but he kept getting frustrated because he wasn't making any money. He wasn't he wasn't finding that mother lode You know, he might find a nugget here or there, but he wasn't finding, you know, what he thought was going to change his life. And so finally he just throws up his arms and quits, sells his stuff and moves back to the east coast. And within days, the people he sold that stuff to they found the mother lode just three feet away from where he stopped digging. Wow, you know, and and, you know, certainly he didn't know and nobody knew that he was three feet away and and we never knew know for sure that if we keep digging, if we keep pressing on that we will achieve our goal. But conversely 100% guarantee that if you quit, you will not achieve your goal and so you don't always know when you're three feet away. But you know that if you quit, you'll never find out how far away you were. And so you know, we're talking to this team but that that's one of those things you know, in the book that I enjoyed writing that part or I enjoyed telling people about that part because it's so oftentimes we just want to quit we get frustrated and whatever it is with our marriage with our kids, with our business, our work, sports, it doesn't matter we get frustrated and we want to quit and we never know you know when when it's going to be that time that we actually break through and and and you know, those things are fun to think about the possibilities and to have hope that you know if I keep doing what I'm supposed to do, I might have a chance
Rick A. Morris 10:52
Yeah, I had a conversation. Want to say was yesterday but you know, I one of my go twos is around Michael Jordan. It's not the number of shots that he hit. It's the number of game winning shots he missed. And nobody really knows that number. Right. But they can all remember that the shot that went in, it's it, but just as you said, guaranteed he wouldn't hit the game winning shot if you didn't take it.
Jamy Bechler 11:17
Yeah, you got you got to take that you got to step up, have courage to do that. And you're absolutely right. And, you know, talking about Jordan, you know, I have a couple characters in the book that, you know, they're they're the, essentially the two stars of the team, but they're always late, you know, they think the world revolves around them. And and that is definitely a common occurrence on a lot of teams. And, you know, one of the players his favorite player is Michael Jordan, because that was his dad's favorite player. And growing up, his dad would always tell him about Michael Jordan and all. And so they're on this bus ride, and they're watching this, like 3430 type thing on ESPN. They're watching this documentary about the Dream Team. And what they didn't realize and most people don't even realize is the Dream Team. Yeah, it was amazing, but they only had one rule on that whole team. And that rule was Always be on time. Always be on time. And you know, that was something that people didn't realize, you know that, hey, they only had this one rule Well, well, these two characters in the book, they're like, Man, that's crazy that they had this one rule and they related to their life. And they're like, well, if Michael Jordan Can, can abide by that, you know, because the story goes that that the latest anyone ever was for the bus was 10 minutes early. And that's just amazing with all those high caliber alpha, you know, ego centric kind of players that they would all respect one another enough to never even be close to be in late. And so these two characters that starts to chip away at their thinking and their mindset, and they have a shift in mentality, and hey, we're going to try to be early, because that's what Michael Jordan did. And that's what the dream team did.
Rick A. Morris 12:50
Absolutely. What a great story. So what we're going to do here, we're going to take a break and come back and and we'll dive into some of our other topics that we'd love to jump into We'll continue to discuss the bus trip. But, you know, if I recall the last time we were on, I had quite a bit of ribbon for being a Tennessee fan. And so we can discuss Tennessee Michigan, where we started and where we ended. And so we'll do that right after break. You're listening right bars on work life balance.
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Rick A. Morris 15:09
And we're back to the work life balance this Friday afternoon. You know we just wanted to break in to all fairness to coach bechler he said he said great that's not even just a radio tease that was just a straight up tease coming into the segment but but we shared you know, some some good natured banter back and back and forth. But let's talk a little bit about you know, from your experience coach and championship cultures kind of what your Michigan team that's that's really I mean, you came out just gangbusters had a little trip against Wisconsin but still recovered. And then the last two games, you know, versus a Tennessee who drops the first two games, and everybody counts them out and they go on the streak of winning six, you know, six games at the last world, we won six of the last seven. Talk about being inside kind of a culture on either side, whichever one you most comfortable with and can what some lessons are that we can learn from that?
Jamy Bechler 16:04
Yeah, you know it my very first thought is, is maybe not from being inside a culture but but just in general. Football, college football seems to bring out the worst and fans sometimes. And we see that, you know, whether you're dealing with the SEC where you know, you're in the heart of the SEC country or the big 10 country where I'm at, you know, it's amazing how many people are dissatisfied with winning nine games a year or you don't win the national title, you know, we just had it or, you know, it was just happened where Oklahoma got below blown out, you know, in a final four game and it's like, they're one of the best four teams in the country, and they're just getting slammed and criticized in the media and it's like, they're one of the best for, you know, but but we tend to be very delusional as fans sometimes and we we all get that way and you know, dealing with Michigan, I can't say that that, that Jim Harbaugh is getting the most out of that team or not getting the most Out of that team. But what I do know is you always need to be a little bit concerned about getting what you want about Be careful what you wish for because nine wins. Nearly every team in America would love to win nine games a year. And and your program at Tennessee and my program and Michigan have both went through that we fired you know Lloyd Carr for winning only nine games a year we forced him into retirement and Tennessee forced Phil former into retirement because they weren't satisfied with eight or nine wins a year. And then both programs went through a number of years where they would have given their left arm for eight or nine wins a season. And so you know, you have to be you have to be cognizant of you maybe you're not error, maybe you're not Alabama maybe you're not Clemson but you can still be a really good version of yourself. And and that's from a fan standpoint, but also from a cultural standpoint. You know, the process, Nick Saban talks about the process all the time down at Alabama, but it really is true and that's one of the reasons that Clemson is always up there. A reason Alabama's always up there is because yeah, they want to win. And yes, they want to do things, you know, they, they want to be scoring more points and get all the five stars, but they also want to do things the right way and they believe in their system and their process enough that hey, if we do this stuff, then the results will take care of themselves. And so many programs, you know, they don't go through the process, they don't try to do what's right and they take shortcuts or they panic or they have knee jerk reactions. And you see that all the time whether it's the NFL or whether it's college football you know, you see it all the time we're coaches only get one or two years to turn it around and and if they don't then they're out the door and it's like yeah, but you know, you really didn't give them much of a chance
Rick A. Morris 18:44
it wasn't their kids it wasn't their system didn't have a chance to recruit the way they wanted to. Yeah,
Jamy Bechler 18:49
yeah, but we're we're we're comparing we're doing too much comparing to to the Alabama's and the Clemson and and you know, Teddy Roosevelt, the great roughrider once said comparisons The thief of all joy. You know, when we compare whether we're comparing our program to Clemson or comparing our program to the best comp best team in our conference, or we're just comparing individually, we're comparing ourselves to someone else's highlights on Facebook or Instagram. You know we can, we can have this sense of inadequacy that we're not good enough because we see these highlights or we're doing unhealthy comparisons and we just need to be be the best version of ourselves.
Rick A. Morris 19:27
It's interesting living where I live being you know, I live right smack dab in the middle of Alabama. We call ourselves the college football capital of the South here in Birmingham. But how many people are disappointed that that Alabama didn't win, you know, another national championship this year? It's like Louis, you know, sometimes loss is the greatest motivator for the win it I think it was Bill Gates it talked about, you can have too much success. And if you have too much success, then you become complacent and you've got to have some failures. In order to drive the best work, it's I find that interesting is just like you said, you know, one bad season they started talking about getting rid of the coach. And then you've got the coaching carousel. I mean, if you look at the SEC, they just brought Lane Kiffin back. Wouldn't got Mike Leach that was announced today. We've got a cast of characters as coaches now as well. That is not necessarily the cold but but you look like for me at ozora right as you're on is this I mean, he's just this character, but he was successful. He was a little bit there, Tennessee, USC a little bit, you know, went to Ole Miss that do well, and then you find the right coach for the right culture at the right time. And you look at what LSU is done this year. It's It's amazing.
Jamy Bechler 20:46
Yeah, you're spot on with that too, because we forget, you know, I'm a huge fan of chick fil a, let's say, Oh, yeah. And Southwest Airlines and a couple companies have great culture but they spend so much time trying to find the right Fit, they want the right team members on their team, they want the right people on the bus and when you talk about like an origin ROM, you know, I'm not sure he's a good coach or a bad coach, but he's found the right fit at least for right now of where he was at of where he of what you know he he can utilize his strengths as a coach where he's at and you see that sometimes with coaches maybe they're they're they're they're a failure somewhere else, you know, quote unquote a failure but then they get into a different situation that's a better fit for them. And all of a sudden they excel and and you know, it's so important to have the right now have the right people around you but but to get the right people in the right positions and you know, it's it's such a big deal to find that fit. And yet Oregon's a great example and you know, Lane Kiffin has been everywhere. It seems like I mean, his whole story is amazing just how many places he's been but you know, you see retreads in the NFL and I know retreads sometimes get a bad rap. at the professional level, especially Oh, they're hiring this guy again. But, you know, Pete Carroll was a retread. The belcheck was a retread. You know, sometimes you learn from those failures, as you talked about a few minutes ago, sometimes you need to, to get knocked down a little bit. Sometimes you need to, to experience failure for the first time in your life to understand you know what i can do better?
Rick A. Morris 22:23
Well, And to me, that's the ultimate Nick Saban story. Right? I mean, he not only did did he was railroaded in Miami, but he hurt that organization for several years to come based on decisions that he had made. And and everybody seems to gloss over that little step that he did in the NFL, but I think you need that in order to realize okay, I'm a great coach at this stage of life versus a great coach overall.
Jamy Bechler 22:51
Yeah, it can help you it can help you learn those things. It can also help you be more grateful and feel more blessed in and you know,
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Jamy Bechler 23:02
I, you know, when somebody experienced failure sometimes and they get a second chance, or Hey, I'm able to land on my feet, they might be a little bit more grateful might be, you know, appreciate every single day a little bit more.
Rick A. Morris 23:18
Well, let's bring that back then to the bus trip as well. But even just before the book itself, you being an author, and owning your own business, there's had to have been times in the last three and a half years where you looked at yourself in the mirror and it's like, what am I doing? Like what? What Why did I make this jump if you hit that point yet?
Jamy Bechler 23:38
Nearly every day, the days that I don't do that my wife takes care of that for me. What the What, what are you do and what did you make any money today? Did you make any sales today? What are we going to do next month, you know? Yeah, so it's a constant. It's a constant battle, you know, and, and I would love to say that I've arrived and I can just Sit back and put my feet up on the desk and be like, yeah, we're set. But you know that. I don't know if that's ever the case, because it's the same way. We talked about Dabo Sweeney and, and Nick Saban, they're not doing that they win national championships and everyone's gunning for him even more. So they've got they've got to go to work even harder. So yeah, it's it's been a, it's been a challenging three and a half years, when you don't have that paycheck coming every Friday or you know that, you know, I was a coach for so long. And certainly if you're not a good coach, you end up getting fired. But from week to week, if I'm not a very good coach, I'm not getting fired. If we lose a couple games in a row, my paycheck still comes in. My my contract is still going to be honored, so to speak, you know, and when you work for yourself, whether you own a physical business or you're in a services business, you know, if you're not very competent, or you're not doing the job, or you're not getting sales, that checks not coming every Friday. And so those are all challenges and You just have to overcome those challenges and figure out ways and, you know, I felt like the last couple years or my first couple years, I felt like I was back as a, as a 21 year old or 22 year old going to grad school like I was in. I was a graduate assistant in this entrepreneurial aspect.
Rick A. Morris 25:18
Well, congratulations on going past three years, right. So three, five and 10 are the big kind of year marker. Actually, it's 135 and 10 are the big markers. As a small business and business owner, I can tell you, I'm going into my 11th year as a small business owner, and it doesn't get any easier. And I'm in a period of transition right now where, you know, I started the business in 2009 2012, the end of 2012. I almost lost everything right, so that was your three year gap. Built a nice steady business and now players have changed and circumstances have changed. And as I go into 2020 It's a fresh new ballgame so I can I can promise you coach. It doesn't get easier.
Jamy Bechler 26:01
Well, and that's fine because, you know, I'm not sure that life gets any easier, we just get better, or we
Rick A. Morris 26:07
so well said,
Jamy Bechler 26:09
Yeah, I mean the challenges and obstacles are going to be there essentially until the day we die. You know, but we just we learn and we improve and we grow and we get better and are better able and better equipped to handle the things that come our way.
Rick A. Morris 26:27
But that's a choice so you coming back to your podcast title right successes choice. I there's several people it's fine with me I don't judge but there's there's several people I know that that are hitting cruise control. And so they've got you know, job that is good enough and place that's good enough and they're in a place in their lives. That's good enough. I'm just, I'm in a constant state of growth. Like I can't sit still I've got to be learning something new. I've got to be on some new certification journey. But that's a choice in and of itself to become better every everyday goes
Jamy Bechler 27:00
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, we both are huge fans of john Maxwell. And, and you know, john Maxwell personally, he's somebody that could sit back and say, all right, I've made enough money. You know, I've done enough good things I can coast. But he's not doing that because he has people that rely on upon him he has, he has more that he still wants to do from an influence standpoint, from an impact standpoint. But certainly from a personal or individual standpoint, there's a lot of people yes, that could coast because they've made enough money, or they've done enough good, you know, quote unquote, enough good. But yeah, it really comes down to your motivation. And, you know, what, what, you know, what kind of significance Do you want to have on the world?
Rick A. Morris 27:46
You just reminded me of so I was in the room with john and he was talking about proximity. And he gave the best definition I've ever heard of entitlement. He said if if I expect proximity based on yesterday's achievements. That's the very definition of entitlement. That just that hit me sideways. I was like, oh, man, I love it when it gets when he gets honor, he talks like that. So, we're gonna come back. Well, we'll take a little break right here. When we come back, I want to get back to the book and start talking about you. I know in the book, you say that there's 10 things that anybody can do any player can do. But you don't have to be a player. You can just be a general person and 10 things that people could do. We're going to reveal your favorite three when we come back from the break you're listening to Rick Mars and the work life balance.
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Rick A. Morris 30:27
And we're back to the work life balance on this Friday afternoon talking with Coach Jamie bechler. specifically around his book, The bus trip we tend to delve into topics here and there but this is what we really wanted to talk about now you released this right around Thanksgiving if I recall you said was November of 2019.
Jamy Bechler 30:44
Yep, Thanksgiving week.
Rick A. Morris 30:46
Wow. So as if Thanksgiving doesn't have enough stress and things to let's throw a book launch into that as well.
Jamy Bechler 30:52
What I thought was, you know, nobody, nobody's email inbox was going to be inundated flooded that week and nobody's you know, there'd be no Facebook ads being run by Anybody so I pretty much have a monopoly on on all marketing during during Thanksgiving weekend, especially on the Friday the day after Thanksgiving, I figured I'd be the only one doing anything. So
Rick A. Morris 31:10
yeah, perfect. Perfect time. There you go. So we teased this going into it you say that you know, in the book you share kind of 10 things anybody can do. Why don't we talk about a couple of those?
Jamy Bechler 31:22
Yeah, we already hit upon a couple one was always be on time. You know, that's, that's something anyone can do. It doesn't matter what your role is. Your job is it just doesn't matter. And we also talked about that story about ru Darby. And that was remaining committed and focused, you know, to whatever your goals were, but, you know, one that really stands out to me is helping serve others. And I think that that's something that anyone can do. You know, you it doesn't matter what your role is your status. It doesn't even matter how good you are, how competent you are at your job. Anyone can help and serve others and and a lot of times, especially as leaders We forget that you know, and certainly this book is is geared toward athletes. So I'll talk about that for a minute. But you know, if you're a freshman, you don't think that you need to serve or help others because you're just a freshman. But then if you're a senior, you don't think you need to help and serve others because I'm a senior, and I've earned my right you know, I've paid my dues. And that irritates me to no end because they also expect a coach to do everything. And the coaches certainly earned their dues and paid their dues more than any player. But I've always hated just in general, the fact of wanting other people to serve you or Hey, someone else the freshman should carry the bags or someone should do something for me because I'm a firm believer that leadership is about servant leadership. It's about influencing other people. And you can't truly influence other people if you're wanting them to serve you. And you know, we have a little story where the kids understand this, they visit a restaurant, and it's certainly modeled after chick fil a, we don't mention chicken La, know free advertising there in the book. But certainly you understand that it's that it's a restaurant like chick fil a. And, you know, the kid gets his order wrong. And but he blames the restaurant, but the restaurant handles that very well. And the kid is amazed at how the restaurant even though they know that the kid is the one that screwed up, they still treat the kid Well, they still try to help them, they still try to serve them, and they don't make the kid feel bad. And just in general, that's a that's a lead into talking about servant leadership. And and I think that that's so important no matter what role you have, or what what occupation you have, Hey, can you serve others? How can I make other people around me better and we were talking earlier about being a graduate assistant, and I was a graduate assistant and one of the things I learned as a graduate assistant from our athletic trainer, he used to always say take care of those who take care of you. Take care of those who take care of you, your managers, you should treat them like they're your star players. You know it It doesn't matter what role someone has treat everyone, well treat them the way you want to be treated. I know that's the golden rule, but we forget that sometimes.
Rick A. Morris 34:09
Well, and it's also how it's done right servant leadership versus managing it. So the story that I relate to, it was I was a brand new manager. I was the youngest manager Bennigan's ever hired if you remember the old restaurant chain Bennigan's, and I was a hustler ago, and I was a worker, I have a very, very strong work ethic. And I remember, as I was going through training, I figured, you know, I came from that rule of management. I'm not gonna ask anybody to do anything I wouldn't do myself. So I was I was trying to model behavior and just do everything just worked my tail off. And there was another manager and he was the most beloved manager, and he didn't do anything. He was like, he barely even lifted a finger. And I was so confused by that until I understood that he was giving people what they needed when they needed it. I was just trying to to basically show everybody up, I outworking them. And that was kind of that first thing that I saw of servant leadership. But it doesn't require a tremendous amount of effort. It just requires caring.
Unknown Speaker 35:16
Yeah, it's
Jamy Bechler 35:19
and you know, as coaches or leaders sometimes will say that people will say, you know, I care about my employees, I care about my players. The problem is, is that they don't know that you care about them, you know, and that was one of my problems. My first four years as a head coach was, man, I loved my players. I cared about them, but they didn't know that necessarily, because I really didn't show that I really didn't demonstrate that on a consistent daily basis. And your people have to know that. I mean, if they're going to end up buying what you're selling, and we're all in the sales business, no matter what we're doing, you know what hurts. I'm convincing my son to pick up his socks off the floor, or my wife's convincing me to pick up my socks off the floor. You're saying Still in the sales business. And so if if you're going to sell that people have to be able to buy something and they're not going to do that if they don't know like and trust you, and they've got and they've got to know that you care. You've got to demonstrate that consistently. And I don't think enough coaches, I don't think enough managers or leaders are doing that.
Rick A. Morris 36:18
Do you recall when that hit you do you recall kind of where you're at what was going on and in? Yeah, when you realize that that?
Jamy Bechler 36:26
Yeah, it was January 4 2005. That's
Rick A. Morris 36:29
pretty specific. There.
Jamy Bechler 36:30
Yeah. When my ad said, Hey, Jamie, you got a minute. And then about a half hour later, they had a new coach. Oh, wow. Yeah, but you know, hey, I was a young coach, and I and I was the smartest guy in the room and thought I knew everything. And yeah, and, yeah, age 31. I was no longer a head coach at the college level. And so a little bit of humbling but a lot of looking in the mirror and saying, All right, what can I do differently because if it wasn't, I go back. It wasn't that I didn't care about my players. Man, I cared a lot about my players. And that was why I wanted to be in coaching was was a caring about my players and wanted them to do well. But I also lost sight of that, in terms of I wasn't showing them on a daily basis. You know, I got more concerned about X's and O's and you know, hey, I was I was judging them too much based on X's nose and not trying to help develop them as much.
Rick A. Morris 37:27
Yeah, the quote that john says all the time that that is probably my favorite quote of his if I were to rank it is that you can be successful by yourself, but you'll never be significant without a team. Once you taste significant, successful, never satisfied. Good. what's what's one of the other of the 10 traits? Well, it's it's kind
Jamy Bechler 37:47
of related to serving and helping but it's encouraged team members and not it wasn't encouraged teammates. It was encouraged team members because when you have an organization, a team Matter What It Is, you're not, you're going to have some support people, you're going to have some team members, some peers, but also you're gonna have some support people, you're also going to have some authority people. And and I think you can encourage everybody in your organization and that'll help the organization be better. And it's similar to it's kind of going off the principles of john Maxwell 360 degree leader is that you can influence everybody around you, not just the people next to you, but you can influence everybody around you. And so, you know, one of the stories I I put in the book was that there was this this old psychologist who was a psychiatrist, I get those mixed up, but but Dr. Manager, and he was on the cover of Time Magazine, but he, he gave this lecture once at this big university and, and this person had a question they said, you know, there's this, what would you What advice or what would you say to a person that said that they were just totally depressed. They didn't know what they were going to do with themselves. They just they just didn't know what they could do anymore. And you know, the person asking that pretty much expected that Dr. manager would say, you know, you while you want to go get help you want to, you know, you know, do this kind of therapy, blah, blah, blah. And Dr. manager said, the first thing that that person needs to do is, and I'm dating this story a little bit, but board up the house, walk across the street, and help somebody. And, and he went on to say, you know, and this isn't, I mean, this is this is surface. And this is simplistic, but essentially, he said, go out and help somebody when you're not feeling good. When you're struggling, go out and make someone's life better. And so many of us, you know, we when we're down in the dumps, we're not encouraging anyone else. And so I wanted this to be encouraged team members, because so many people, they don't like the role. They don't like their lot in life. They don't like what's going on. And so they continue to wallow in that misery instead of Hey, I'm going to encourage The Boss, I haven't gotten a raise, but you know what, I'm going to encourage the boss or I'm going to say something nice to the secretary. Even though she never smiles at me. We're in this culture and it's just not nowadays but it's been so long. You know, it's been building up but but we're tend to be a people that we, we treat people the way they treat us and types. And and and we have to rise above that we have to, you know, as Ellen DeGeneres said, we have to be kind to everybody. We have to be kind. We have to treat people the way we would want to be treated, not the way we are being treated. And so, hey, if I feel like I'm a freshman, or I feel like I'm a low man on the totem pole, I'm a janitor at a company and I feel like I'm getting no respect, then by golly, I need to give as much respect as possible. And that doesn't mean that I'm going to feel necessarily better and it doesn't mean I'm going to get more respect. But turn that around and courage team members, encourage everybody in your organization. You know, don't just sit back wallow in misery if you're not getting enough playing time, you know what encourage the people that are getting playing time instead of sitting on the bench and hoping that they get hurt or get in foul trouble.
Rick A. Morris 41:10
Yeah, you know, you brought up Ellen. And you know, you never really think you're going to get a tremendous amount of, of leadership lessons from a comedian or TV show host. But she went through controversy earlier this year, where she said, Be kind to everybody. Then there was a picture of her in George W. Bush. And the party that supports her the most democratic party kind of came after her and said, you know, what, what are you doing with him? Why are you doing he said, when I say be kind to everybody, it's not just be kind with people who share my views. It's Be kind to everybody. And I saw that as a huge step up for her.
Jamy Bechler 41:47
Yeah, you're absolutely right. And Rick, that's a that's a major problem that that we have as a society that every time I see this kind of stuff in the news, I think about john Maxwell, I think about his definition of leadership. I think about And I'm like, how in the world? Can you influence anybody and get someone to come over to your way of thinking, if you're berating them, if you're criticizing them constantly, if you're belittling them, if your name calling, you know, you've got to try to be kind to people and win them over, at least from a respect standpoint, not from an ideological standpoint, but you're never gonna change anyone's ideas, unless they like you unless they trust you unless they respect you. And they're definitely not going to do that if you're always calling them an idiot. And we're
Rick A. Morris 42:29
about to go to break here about relate one more quick story. I was in the room with john at IMC. There was a bunch of us in the room sound like it was me and three other people. But he was approached to run for president in 2016. And he thought about it and he shared the whole story with us. And the the thing that really stood apart for me is he said, When I thought about it, I didn't think to go forward with it because the base that would have elected me would want me to do everything their way and if I'm a president, I've got To be president for all people and I feel like I would upset by base because I would do what was fair for everybody, not just for the people who elected me. That is a message I think needs to be shouted loud and clear to all of our political parties. But we're going to take a break right here. We'll be right back with our final segment with Coach Jamie back.
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Rick A. Morris 45:12
And we're back with our final segment of the work life balance on this Friday afternoon coach back there, tell everybody where they can find the book how to get in touch with you how to find you online.
Jamy Bechler 45:20
Yeah, the easiest, easiest way to find me as my website is as Coach bechler and that's B EC h l er, Coach beckler calm and you can find me on Twitter at Coach bechler. And, you know, you go to either of those sites, you can find all my books, you can find articles, blogs, you can also find success as a choice podcast, which, as a reminder, Rick Morris was on episode 009. Wow, back in the day
Rick A. Morris 45:46
of 7422. That was all released last Friday. So that's good. But what is so I've asked you this question twice before. Now I'm going to ask you A third time and we can go back into pair answers.
Jamy Bechler 46:03
Maybe I'll get it right this time
Rick A. Morris 46:04
No, I think it's Oh yeah, you know what it is? It's it's it is a point in time question even though it doesn't sound it but what some of the best advice you've ever received
Jamy Bechler 46:18
proofread your book better.
Unknown Speaker 46:22
Tell me tell me what it was. Tell me what it was that launch that you've got? No Well
Jamy Bechler 46:29
this isn't necessarily it's a combination of advice and then it actually coming to fruition but my first book you know, don't skimp on the proofreading. Make sure you know you just when you think you got it, then go over to get and then I got like a one star review on Amazon. And this person was a hater, okay. I mean that they were they were not. I don't think that they're probably a very positive person in life. But they gave me a one star review and said that, you know, there was just too many grammatical errors. Which First of all, it wasn't true that there wasn't too many. But there were a couple. But I'm like, this is a leadership book for student athletes. You know, first of all, they deal with, you know, 280 characters. That's all that they deal with. So they're not really concerned about misspelled words. But what it did was it made me examine, hey, I need to go back and pay more attention to the details, and you're not going to please everybody. But you know what, there's some things that are in my control, and I need to make sure that I'm not overlooking that. And even though this person might have been a negative, Nancy, you know, they might have, you know, you know, you don't give a one star review on a leadership book, just because there's a couple grammar things, but it didn't matter what their motive was. The fact of the matter was, there was three grammatical errors, you know, in the first couple chapters that I noticed, and I went back and change those and so you know, in future books, I was a little bit better.
Rick A. Morris 47:53
Yeah, but the reason why they hit me so hard, but I was pressing on that is, I have a dear friend john stanback. When no day but today dropped, I had a different team is the first time I self published the book versus going through the traditional book publishing. And I expect people are going to do what they they're supposed to do. So details isn't always the my number one checking thing. And he pulled me aside when we were face to face. He was like, dude, you gotta get somebody read over this again. And, you know, he went way up in my book as a friend to have that uncomfortable versus Oh, man, it's great. Yeah, look at this. He was like, there's two or three things Dude, that that needs to get changed and change fast. I can always appreciate that. So I've been there with the coach. Do you have anything coming up any big speaking engagements, any big appearances?
Jamy Bechler 48:48
I just do a number. I don't have any major things until the spring. Well, I say that I'm going to Vegas here in a couple weeks to speak at the large the Glaser football. clinics, they get over 1000 football coaches at that in Vegas and I'm also doing the one that they haven't Detroit. So they have 30 across the country. And so I'm doing a couple of those and then, but I do mainly during this time of year I do mainly individual sports teams. So I will go do pregame talks or work with a team for an hour or so on some leadership principles. And in fact, I was I was in your neck of the woods a few weeks ago working with a sports team down there in Birmingham. So
Rick A. Morris 49:29
what my team the
Jamy Bechler 49:31
UAB women's basketball team,
Rick A. Morris 49:33
yeah, my daughter goes to UAB Well, they
Jamy Bechler 49:35
they have a pretty good program there and you know, the football program is good and you know, now that it's back, that that's good news for for Birmingham. But I actually did a retreat for UAB, in down in Destin in the fall, did a three day retreat on the beach in a condo so that was pretty nice. Did the three days of all leadership stuff?
Rick A. Morris 49:57
Yeah, there's worse places to be then then in a Destin, Florida
Jamy Bechler 50:00
I can tell you, it was it was it was good and and you know if anyone's out there listening you know, if you want me to come to like, snow tundra, it's gonna cost you more if you want me to come to Destin, Florida
it's more negotiable.
Rick A. Morris 50:20
It was about I don't know three months ago it's like North northern Saskatchewan Canada that I went up to it as like bad. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I don't know how much more you can pay me to get me to that the dead of winter. Yeah, well,
Jamy Bechler 50:35
I live in Cleveland, near Cleveland, Ohio. And so it's bad enough all time. So yeah, if you want me to come speak, I'd be more than glad to negotiate a better deal if it's in the south.
Rick A. Morris 50:46
I thought I thought for some reason I thought you were in the Carolinas. I was just in Cleveland. I had a certification thing that I did in Berlin right out in Amish country.
Jamy Bechler 50:57
We're Yeah, we're we're outside of Cleveland. My wife's family is all lives here. And so, you know, we were living in Atlanta. We're living in Tennessee for a little for quite a while. And so she finally said, Hey, you can do what you're doing anywhere. So we're going to do that where our family is. And I said, Yes, ma'am.
Rick A. Morris 51:14
Absolutely. Absolutely. Cleveland was the site of the studio that we did that when we brought back the party. So the whole Mickey Mouse Club team that listens to this podcast that that was right up there in Cleveland as well. Okay, nice. So any final thoughts that you'd like to leave the audience with Coach?
Jamy Bechler 51:34
No, not not necessarily. I'm just I appreciate you having me on and I enjoy talking about all this stuff. This is good even though as you say we go down some rabbit hole. Sometimes we get off on tangents sometimes which which I enjoy doing, but I'm not sure. I try not to do that on my podcast. I try to let the guests the guests take it where where they want but, you know, I struggle sometimes my wife says that awesome. To all the time was that I'm kind of here and there.
Rick A. Morris 52:03
Yeah, so we're both the same person. So the fact that we actually completed an entire podcast without getting into like college fraternity stories and things like that, I think that's good. I think I think we'll take that as a wind coach.
Jamy Bechler 52:16
There are some lessons I could go.
Rick A. Morris 52:20
See you and I'll be talking for an hour after this thing wraps up. That's just how it goes. There's also some stories
Jamy Bechler 52:25
that I'm going to take to the grave.
Rick A. Morris 52:29
I have no idea what you're talking about ghosts, none, none on this side. It's all all right there in front of everybody. Well, again, we certainly appreciate you coming on and sharing with us. And again, you don't have to release a book to come back and see us.
Jamy Bechler 52:43
Well, we have another one coming out in the summer. It's called the captain. And it'll be specifically for people in positional leadership roles. So So this last book, all my books have been really in general, like everyone can be a leader. This one is going to be specifically when you're in a position of authority or position. leadership. And so we're excited about that one and it is going to be more of a business crossover book as well.
Rick A. Morris 53:06
Outstanding. Well, then we'll have you back for that. We look forward to it. Next week team. We're going to be taking the week off. We'll do a replay next week. I'm going to be in Orlando. doing a workshop down there over Friday, Saturday and Sunday. And then we'll be back the following week though. It wait. I'm going to wait until next week to start announcing some of these guys but we have got a tremendous lineup coming up in some really nice surprises coming into January in February. So stay tuned to the to the podcast to find out who those people will be until two Fridays from now we hope you maintain your own work life balance you've been listening to reparse
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